one of the ways to humanize himself was to talk about his religion. that was very difficult during the course of the campaign with the conservative evangelical base suspicious of mormonism. the other thing is talk about his record of governor. one of his main things was health care reform in massachusetts. that also was very hard for him to do. >> he's talking about it now. he should have talked about it earlier. it's a big achievement to cover 98% of the people. >> let's put this in the context of the debates, chuck. are you surprised that christie decided and the romney campaign is saying, first debate, hits it out of the park, thursday morning things will be different? >> thank you, chris christie, for at least making the quote, the gaffe, the honest gaffe. the fact of the matter is, that has to be what happens after this first debate. the narrative has to change. the polls have to move. romney has to clobber the president in the first debate. >> if they don't move, it's over. >> in other words, are they happy with it? i kind of thing they needed t